Doors Closing - the final epsiode of Y Pumed Llawr - The Fifth Floor



To round off the documentary series I gathered an expert panel to discuss raised in the podacst series Y Pumed Llawr - The Fifth Floor.

Dr Hannah White Director of the Institute for Government, Prof. James Mitchell of Edinburgh University, former First Minister Prof. Mark Drakeford and former Education Minister Kirsty Williams joined me in Cardiff on on 13th October 2025 in front of a live audience.


The event was hosted by Cardiff University’s Wales Governance Centre and you watch it all here:

The Fifth Floor LIVE: The Operation of Devolved Government in Wales




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